Posted by Spitfire (167.129.240.10) on November 10, 2000 at 11:21:35:
In Reply to: Re: _Space_ and Promise Keepers posted by __space__ on November 09, 2000 at 15:59:58:
OH NO! RYAN'S WHIPPED!
What is this world coming to????
: I don't have a point. I just put some links up because that is what I was searching for that day. I had never heard of them before, and chose to do some research. Hey don't get me wrong, I didn't even read the whole articles. I was just interested in finding out more. I have a friend who thinks they are awful. I don't know enough to form a real opinion.
: I have an opinion about one issue though. I don't think it is feminist if you do not want to 'submit' to your husband. Actually, Ryan and I have discussed this issue and we mutually agree that decisions should be made together, not just by one spiritual 'leader'. We haven't even decided if we want children yet, and that may make us un-holy or something,
: but it is up to us.
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: : It’s late, I'm bored, and I can’t sleep so I thought I comment on the latest post from _Space_ regarding the Promise Keepers
: : _Space_, what is your point? While I'm not a member, and have never attended a PK meeting I can certainly respect the effort they are trying to make. You didn't really express an opinion, but provided two links to a bra-burning feminist site and one link to the home page of a religious organization that have contradictory and misquoted statements throughout their own site. (I especially love the “Myth vs. Fact” page on the feminist site, in which their “FACTs” do nothing to disprove the “Myths”.)
: : PK want men to take responsibility, live for God, and lead others to do the same. I would agree with them that much of today’s ills are because of the lack of a strong family structure. The number of broken and unstructured families today exceeds the number of traditional mother-father-children families. When the majority of people are raised in broken homes how can we expect our children to take responsibility for their actions when they grow up?
: : In addition, according to the Bible (Ephesians 5:22-23), men SHOULD BE the spiritual leader of the household and therefore wives should submit to their husbands. Husbands should also love and honour they’re wives. There is nothing demeaning or unjust about submitting to your husband as long as your husband is providing the proper spiritual leadership (which is what PK is trying to ensure). As you are soon to be married, this is actually something you should consider carefully before you immediately jump to the typical feminist response that has been now saturated the minds of any female under the age of 35.
: : Keep in mind that the feminist movement has only been around for 30-40 years now. Throughout history, men have been the leaders of the community, it is the radical feminist movement that is “against the norm”, not a call for male leadership.
: : On the issue of homosexuality, PK has stated (and the majority of members agree) that it is an abomination against God. They do not promote hatred of anyone but only state that homosexuality is abnormal. I agree that homosexuality is not normal and throughout history, the church has always taught that it is against God’s will.
: : It’s only in recent years that certain movements have been trying to influence the teachings of the church. Of all things in this world, one would think that spiritual teachings should remain unchanged. I don’t see the problem with PK’s teachings; perhaps you (or anyone else) could attempt to “enlighten” me.